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July 24, 21:30

Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware!

Iíve been talking (and hyping) Rails for so long that itís all wierd to finally have it out in the open. Mind you, weíre still not talking about a 1.0 release, but the package currently on offer is still something Iím very comfortable to share with the world. Undoubtedly, there could be more documentation and more examples, but Real Artists Ship and this piece will grow in public. Enjoy Rails!

UPDATE: Want to know more about how we built Basecamp using Rails (and how we built Rails using Basecamp)? Attend the Building of Basecamp Workshop on September 17th in Chicago. You better hurry too, it's already half full (and the last one sold out a month in advance).


Challenge by Luke Holden on July 24, 22:09

A very huge grats David!

Challenge by Ben Hosken on July 24, 23:13

Congratulations. I'm really looking forward to starting to learn Ruby and to use rails in the coming months. Now only if we can get some hosting providers to support ruby.

Challenge by awk on July 24, 23:23

Hi David, congratulations!

PS. I'm the slashdot anon coward from a few posts back .. didn't think anybody would read my post let alone mod it up, glad to spread the word. :-)

It's especially interesting to me because a year or so ago for my work projects I created a framework in Perl that *tried* to be what Rails is.. the philosophy was to do as little work as possible to get the job done.. it was okay but now I'm excited to see it "done right"!

Challenge by Austin on July 25, 0:15

Congrats!

I have really loved using ActiveRecord over the past couple of days. Cannot wait to dive into Rails to see what it can do for me.

Challenge by Tomas Jogin on July 25, 0:17

Eh.. David? I thought Rails was just a nice MVC implementation. It's not. I just watched the introductory quicktime and I've completely lost my ability to form coherent sentences. I'm stunned, numb, my head is spinning. Amazing.

If this doesn't make people start developing with Ruby, literally nothing will.

Challenge by gabriele on July 25, 1:33

Ah, that's what we've been waiting so long... a video^W^WRails!
;) thank you for the great work, keep on going

Challenge by David Heinemeier Hansson on July 25, 11:02

Thank you all so much! It's very exciting to get this level of response so soon in the game. I'll do my outmost to deserve it with forthcoming releases of the framework(s).

Challenge by Leonya on July 25, 11:21

Oops... Rails seems to be incompatible with Windows -- it relies heavily on symlinks. Cygwin is not really an option, as it's not "other-than-ISO-8859-1"-friendly.

Challenge by Brian Sweeting on July 25, 16:34

If Basecamp is a 4-KLOC application, does that number include the nearly 2-KLOC of the Rails framework?

Challenge by David Heinemeier Hansson on July 25, 16:37

Leonya: Right. *nix is the primary target for Rails, but perhaps I'll find time to make a version compatible with Windows at one point to. Both the Active Record and Action Pack works on Windows. In the mean time, I recommend upgrading your OS to either a nix flavor or OS X. You'll be glad you did :)

Brian: No. The 4-KLOC number quoted for Basecamp is all business logic and control flow. Not the Rails framework.

Challenge by Leonya on July 25, 22:19

Have you got an idea of how to achieve Windows compatibility? If you got one, I'll be more than happy to implement it and give it back to you.

Challenge by David Heinemeier Hansson on July 26, 0:12

Start by replacing all the symlinks with copies of the real files. Most of the symlinks point to stuff available in vendor/railties. Then try to change the shebang lines of public/dispatch*. That should get you started.

Challenge by Rich Barton on July 26, 14:36

Slightly OT: The text editor (TextMate) you (or whoever) are using in the "Getting Started" video looks quite interesting, yet no amount of googling has yet led to any information on this app. Any idea as to where one might download it?

PS Will be giving Rails a try shortly. Looks damn cool.

Challenge by David Heinemeier Hansson on July 26, 15:16

TextMate is still incognito. We'll be releasing more information about it shortly. And yes, it's crazy cool :). I left Xcode and Subethaedit behind weeks ago.

Challenge by Leonya on July 26, 17:44

David: I've performed these manipulations and it worked! Though, it's not very elegant and doesn't seem suitable for packaging "as is".

Challenge by David Heinemeier Hansson on July 26, 17:46

Great stuff, Leonya. Perhaps you could do an attempt to make it packageable? Have a look at the RailTies project on RubyForge. That's what I use to generate the *nix version of Rails.

Challenge by awk on July 26, 18:17

David where is the best place to report features and bugs?

The ERuby template renderer hangs for me on Gentoo Linux. I changed it to use StringIO to get it working.

On that note: I use a modified Eruby which HTML-escapes everything by default, with another tag () for including HTML unescaped (lack of this destinction is a pet peeve of mine).

When I use it, it breaks the "scaffolding" feature. What do you think about outputting the HTML directly for the scaffold without a template? Or hard-wire scaffolding to use ERb always (since ERb should be available no matter what).

Challenge by Alan on July 28, 11:51

A 'me too' on TextMate - looks like exactly what I've been looking for!

And congratulations on the rails release - I've been putting off starting work on a large PHP app so I could get a taste of Rails and see if it would be the better job - and guess what, I think I'm convinced!

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